Comments on: Bonding With Babies – Where RIE and Attachment Parenting Differ https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/ elevating child care Tue, 29 Aug 2023 02:46:43 +0000 hourly 1 By: Lucy https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-132910 Tue, 29 Aug 2023 02:46:43 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-132910 In reply to janet.

Janet, I think that your indignation at RIE being reduced to ‘forced independence at an early age’ is similar to the indignation others are feeling at your reduction of attachment parenting to keeping babies in carriers all the time and giving them no freedom. Maybe that’s not what you meant to say, but it’s how the article was perceived by most readers. While I’m sure there are some parents who take baby wearing to the extreme, I think most of us do it in a responsive way. For example, my daughter as an infant was very alert and active and loved to be on the ground playing at home or at the park etc. But when we went for a walk, she was happier in the baby carrier than in the pram. She also slept better at naptime cuddled close to me in the baby carrier while I did things around the house than she did if placed in the bassinet. I think a lot of parents feel that RIE principles work better in some contexts and AP principles work better in other contexts.

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By: Claire https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-132581 Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:47:10 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-132581 Janet. Thank you for this article. So interesting as I am trying to walk a line between these two approaches and it’s really interesting to see where the similarities and differences are. I am surprised in some ways that the two ‘camps’ are not more integrated because with more nuance applied to both situations it really seems like they can be. You mentioned that many parents are using a hybrid of the two approaches but I’m wondering if there are any leading professionals advocating a meshed approach – be they writers; researchers; parenting advisors; childcare workers; campaigners or whatever. Are you aware of any working in that space as I’d love to explore more if there are. Thanks, Claire.

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By: janet https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-132249 Fri, 02 Sep 2022 21:28:51 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-132249 In reply to Katherine.

Thanks for sharing your experience, Katherine. Just need to correct one thing… Dr. Pikler had a thriving and renowned private practice when she developed her recommendations. She based them on the thousands of hours she spent observing babies and families. It wasn’t until years later that she was asked to create and direct the orphanage setting at Loczy and adapt her approach to that setting.

When babies object to being placed down and away from their parent, Magda and Pikler believed we should definitely respect that. Their point was to consider the benefits of this freer time too, and not to give up on it. Babies evolve every moment. So Magda suggested that we continue to periodically offer them opportunities for free movement rather than deciding that a particular baby was needier and could not benefit from it. As parents, we are inclined to project. I’m not suggesting this is your situation, but often the nuances of Magda’s and Pikler’s teachings get lost in these conversations.

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By: Katherine https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-132247 Fri, 02 Sep 2022 21:02:18 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-132247 In reply to Kim.

Kim, reaching across the years to say thanks for this comment; it really speaks to my experience. While pregnant with my first, I read both of Janet’s (and two of Magda’s) books, and felt extremely prepared to raise my RIE baby. I fully accepted the premise that any parent who paid sufficient attention to their baby would discover that baby’s needs align with RIE’s principles. Imagine my surprise when my 8-week-old started refusing to leave my arms! I don’t identify philosophically with Dr. Sears’s work, which I find paternalistic and patriarchal (nor do I feel the need to look to any man for permission to mother my baby in response to her cues) but now, at 7 months, we are bedsharing, breastfeeding on request, and spending as much time in the carrier as we both want, confident in our mutual instincts and the research that supports them.

In retrospect, I wonder about the wisdom of taking an approach developed by a pediatrician in a group care/orphanage setting — medical; traumatic; biologically abnormal — and attempting to apply it to the biologically normal case of the mother/baby dyad.

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By: Kelsie https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-132234 Fri, 26 Aug 2022 13:08:19 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-132234 In reply to jenny.

this comment made me feel deeply uncomfortable. Saying something like “you’re being manipulative” and then following it up with “only love in my heart” raises so many red flags for me. And “you’re smart enough to know what you’ve done here but…” makes me want to run for the hills.

It sounded like Janet had a very nuanced view of things that were not manipulative (intentionally or otherwise) even with her leaning toward one parenting style.

I’ll admit, I know next to nothing about either practice (I still don’t know what REI stands for), and I know that for me, intuitively it made sense to give my newborn son a little bit of space and “independence” of sorts.

It also made sense to give ME a little bit of space, as I struggled deeply with postpartum depression and being attached to my son any more than I already was felt suffocating.

My son needs a mother who is healthy, and that level of attachment would not have helped my mental health.

It sounds like we all have our own experiences and intuition. I hope that you find peace in your discernment and respect in others opinions.

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By: Lisa https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-131217 Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:07:16 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-131217 I think the problem seen here is in a lazy person’s rendition of AP, not AP itself. Putting the baby in the carrier and then ignoring them all day is to AP what leaving the baby in another room and ignoring them (no observation, no checking in, etc) is to RIE. In both cases the baby is relegated to a position of lower importance as the parent is able to go about their days unhindered. I think a healthy balance of the philosophies can coexist where we recognize both the baby’s mammalian desire for closeness and physical affection and the human animal’s ability to build connection through speech, security through the knowledge that the parent is close by and will return, quiet observing presence and eye contact, and the baby’s desire to learn to move their body when they are able.

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By: Molly https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-130978 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 02:19:45 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-130978 In reply to Heidi.

My friends and I call it survival parenting. We’ve mixed the two parenting styles as well and adapt to the situation at hand.

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By: Kim https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-130204 Thu, 22 Apr 2021 06:10:20 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-130204 In reply to Erin.

I never intended to follow Attachment Parenting Principles, but my three children really would NOT sleep independently despite months and months of following all the “rules.” Similarly, they all hated strollers and car seats and loved being carried. I certainly put them in strollers and on the ground as much as I possibly could, but it would only last so long. For my three children, RIE’s approach makes me feel very inadequate because I “can’t” follow the suggestions despite lots of trying. I think the idea that parents need to pay attention and figure out their particular child’s personality and needs is the most important tenet of any parenting approach. Ignoring my children’s very clear preferences to be carried often and to co-sleep (not so much a preference for my children but a need) would have been impossible. I realize you may read this and just think I am a pushover or not able to implement the suggestions with fidelity, but I assure you that is not the case. Babies vary widely in their temperaments, preferences, and needs (RIE is clear on this) and some will thrive on the floor most of the day while others thrive in mom’s arms most of the day. To say otherwise, is unfair to moms and babies. This inflexibility is what frustrates me with parenting approaches.

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By: Jaimk https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-130134 Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:59:22 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-130134 Just finished the AP/RIE post — I agree I think a mash up of the two styles (especially newborn – slightly more AP and 6 months up slightly more RIE) is what feels best knowing what I know now. Instinctively I love having a newborn on my chest, in a carrier, close by for ease of feeding etc. But I also know how important it became to have that connected separation once we were out of that phase (ie when it became apparent the whole house needed more sleep and we moved into gentle sleep training). I definitely think that my approach to newborn care will be different this time around though, talking through each step of a diaper change, asking permission etc. I even noticed myself asking “did you poop?” to my daughter quite loudly in our kitchen tonight (it was just us at home of course) and I thought to myself…. well now that’s kinda rude I typically wouldn’t ask another adult if they just pooped in a loud voice like that, so I am appreciative of the RIE perspective and how it permeates almost all of the things I naturally did as a parent or saw other parents do. Nice food for thought

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By: Sara https://www.janetlansbury.com/2013/03/bonding-with-babies-where-rie-and-attachment-parenting-differ/comment-page-2/#comment-129982 Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:30:42 +0000 http://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=6101#comment-129982 Super interesting post! Like many others here I started off with AP and transitioned to RIE closer to a year old. I did no research on parenting approaches prior to giving birth but while seeking out breastfeeding info/support came across AP which seemed to describe/affirm my natural instincts. Now that my little girl is a toddler I find RIE extremely helpful for the day to day and gives me confidence in the long term investment of our family. I wonder if there is a physiological component/instinct to giving birth/breastfeeding and keeping your baby close (AP) and if this would hold true if I were the caretaker for an infant I had not given birth to and/or was not nursing, in which case my instincts might have been more toward the RIE approach from the beginning.

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