Comments on: Meltdowns at Bedtime (or Anytime) https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/ elevating child care Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:38:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Darren https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-132877 Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:38:14 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-132877 Hi Janet,

Hello from the uk.

I recently stumbled across your website, audiobook and podcast through some recommendations. My partner and I are big fans of yours and the gentle human approach.

I’m a father to a 26month old smart, happy, smiley and lively toddler.

Unfortunately, the the last three weeks have been absolute hell, and my partner and i are running out of ideas on what to do.

Our little guy used to have horrific sleep, up until he was 16/17months, then out of desperation we gave in and did the Ferber method, and he slept 12hrs a night perfectly. Up until a few weeks ago.

Our little one had tonsillitis recently, since then, we’ve given in (because he’s been sick) and started staying with him in the room, but, as soon as we say goodnight, he absolutely loses his rag. 0-100000000 in a split second nuclear meltdown. This includes headbutting the floor, throwing himself into things in his room. Full on band trashing the hotel room kind of vibe. It’s gotten worse every day, and this includes wakes in the night (I’m typing this from outside his room after he woke screaming at midnights, it’s now 1:28am and he’s still not asleep). The other day it took two hours each (nap and bedtime) to get him to sleep, ans last night he woke nearly every hour. Not ideal when I had to be in the office 🙁

We’ve tried a few different courses (how we found yours!), and we’ve been acknowledging his feelings, but it’s like he doesn’t listen, and he is in the midst of the biggest fight or flight meltdown. We prep before, tell him everything, no surprises, give him choices to do stuff. He doesn’t seem to listen, he blows up like a mini atom bomb.

The current strategy is put him down, sit outside for he room, tell him back to bed a few times, till he eventually falls asleep. But he’ll wake multiple times in the night screaming for us. We either have to sleep in the room or sit outside and wait till he falls asleep and hope we get a couple of hours sleep before work or he wakes again. We can’t seem to make this scenario work for any of us, and feeling completely frazzled from the lack of sleep makes it harder and harder each day to make it work.

So out of sheer sleep deprived despair, I’m posting here, hoping for a tip or two to get us out of this rut.

Many thanks 🙂

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By: Jamie Bruchman https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-132496 Wed, 18 Jan 2023 02:30:14 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-132496 Thank you so much for all of this. My 3 year old seems to have a very similar thing with “needing to eat” right as I’m putting her down. We’ve already built in a bedtime snack, so I know there is a pretext here for her to relieve stress/ whatever the feeling is, as after a long while of repeated requests/ sometimes crying, she will eventually fall asleep. Like this mother, I know I need to be clear with walking away after saying what I will do. But, if she goes on and on and on, is it helpful to go back in, and let her know I’m here? Or since she’s so disregulated, it might amplify it more? (which ironically is maybe what she needs to release it?) I don’t want to get “in it”, but I get confused when she actually “needs me” and what part of what she’s saying is just the release. And my fear lies in getting that part “wrong,” if that makes sense. Thank you for any assistance!

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By: Sam Glover https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-131803 Fri, 27 May 2022 23:39:40 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-131803 Hi Janet!

I am having a similar but slightly different situation with my almost 3 year old. She exhibits stalling behavior. My husband and I realized that it’s better when just one of us puts her down so she can’t play us off each other so we always let her pick who she wants to put her down and then we do her routine. She gives hugs and kisses to the non selected parents and then goes through the norm: Potty, water, Jammies, book, hugs/kisses, goodnight. At first If mom was putting her to bed, right when it ended, she would cry and say she wants dad to give her a hug and kiss. This was clearly a stalling tactic which she is good at. We then set the boundary firmly that after you say goodnight to the non chosen parent, they would not come back to the room. Once we set that, she stopped. Where I am stuck is here newest tactic is to say she needs to go potty again. There are times where I feel she is purposely holding in her poop so she can visit the bathroom for a second times. Other times, she does her business during her routine and claims she needs to go back and then sits on the toilet for 20 minutes without going. I don’t want to tell her she can’t go to the bathroom because I don’t want her to have an accident because we didn’t believe her. At the same time, it is getting extremely frustrating that our 15 minute bedtime routine turns into 45-60 minutes. Any advice?

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By: Megan https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-131467 Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:11:54 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-131467 In reply to Liz.

I’m in a very similar situation and find a baby gate useful. Not the total solution but marks more of a boundary

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By: Esther Owens https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-131264 Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:47:58 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-131264 We are having a similar issue with our almost 3 year old. He started protesting naps on weekends I think because he has some separation anxiety with his dad and now during the week with just me too. We will slightly adjust the routine which gives him a few days of compliance but then of course he finds a new way to protest. We always hold him at the end of the routine and sing a couple songs and pray a couple prayers before putting him in his bed. But now he is always trying to wiggle out of our arms and crying for us to not do our songs and prayers to delay being put in bed. Should we just insist on doing the routine: holding him and doing our songs and prayers? It’s actually very difficult to hold him while he wiggles and protests because he’s almost three and big for his age. I know we need to be consistent and that we can’t keep changing things. I’m working on understanding that we need to let the feelings come but it’s hard to not feel like we’re doing something wrong by singing and praying over him as he cries for us to stop and desperately tries to wiggle away. Thanks!

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By: janet https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-130055 Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:31:00 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-130055 In reply to Laura.

Hi Laura – Thanks for reaching out. A lot of questions are coming up for me from your description and I unfortunately can’t offer you advice without knowing more about your dynamic and what his entire day is like, etc. Ideally, he will be processing the feelings throughout the day, so there is not such a build-up at nighttime. I’d recommend consulting with Eileen Henry. I believe that she even does a free 15 minute consultation: http://compassionatesleepsolutions.com

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By: Laura https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-130053 Sat, 13 Mar 2021 03:28:27 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-130053 Janet, thanks for this post as we are having almost the exact same issue with our 2.4 year old AND I am also expecting a baby in 6 weeks. Our son has always been easy to put to bed at night and for naps and is still sleeping a whopping 11 hours every night. He is a very happy and easy-going kid for the most part. However, In the past month he has started going ballistic after the whole bedtime routine and once settled in his crib as soon as my husband or I leave the room. It is some of the hardest crying I have seen him do, even morphing into the dreaded red-faced silent cry at times. He just screams for me or dad over and over, and calms instantly and lies down if we go back in but then ballistic again once we leave. Tonight I tried the methods you outlined above and talked through the whole bedtime routine a few hours before. I said I noticed he had been getting upset lately once we leave the room and reminded him that mom and dad had to go to bed but would be right down the hall if he really needed us. Tonight the crying was especially bad and I ended up going in twice to calmly tuck him in again and sat by his crib breathing for a couple minutes during the first time (short stay second time). My visits were about 15 minutes apart so he probably cried like that for the better part of an hour. About 10 minutes after my second visit, he laid himself down, covered himself with his blanket and is now sleeping but it was a rough hour. Was this the right thing to do? Are you sure letting him more or less cry-it-out is the way to go? And should we anticipate this will keep happening until he processes his emotions about the new baby? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. I have been going through your podcasts the past few months and they have been extremely helpful in re-perceiving parenthood.

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By: Lynsay https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-129829 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:21:56 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-129829 In reply to Liz.

This is my situation too. Two 3.5 yo twins. One keeps getting up and walking out. The walk-back isn’t helping. It’s been months. I’m thinking maybe baby gate at the door? Doesn’t seem respectful but I don’t know of another way I can follow through on the boundary. I’ve tried “helpful” physical restraint but it just seems to rev him up more.

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By: Liz https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-129758 Wed, 02 Dec 2020 23:47:06 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-129758 I have a similar situation with my 2.5 yr old who has a 9 month old brother. Her father has been working in another city for 2 months and since he left she has started getting out of bed after bedtime. She’s happy enough but sometimes will do this for up to 2 hrs. I set the boundary – it’s time to rest, you need to stay in bed- after a consistent routine of bath, 2 books, 2 songs and a back rub. As she’s in a single bed I can’t physically restrain her to her bed or her room, so I just spend every night walking her back to bed 20 times. Any ideas on enforcing the boundary in a situation like this? It’s the only situation in our lives where I feel I’m not providing the boundary that she needs in order to have the gift of expressing her feelings.

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By: Matt https://www.janetlansbury.com/2020/10/meltdowns-at-bedtime-or-anytime/comment-page-1/#comment-129674 Fri, 30 Oct 2020 23:04:22 +0000 https://www.janetlansbury.com/?p=20435#comment-129674 In reply to Krista.

@ Krista – I believe Janet did. The mom knew deep down the best thing is to do is set a boundary and walk out of the room instead of staying in there. She just need a bit of guidance from Janet that the resulting screaming was an ok part of the process.

“Parent: That’s helpful. It’s helpful to validate my instinct to walk away. I mean, maybe it is the impetus for the crying, but it’s the impetus that she needs so that she can do it so that she can get over it so she can get back in bed and she can progress with her night.

Janet Lansbury: 100%. You are giving her the gift of a boundary so that she can have the gift of expressing her feelings.”

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